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		<title>By: Top Ten At Eye On Annapolis &#124; Eye On Annapolis</title>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Aug 2010 02:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are all examples why the East Coast sucks.  It&#039;s populated by people like you.</description>
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		<title>By: kh</title>
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		<dc:creator>kh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 18:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then you should know Former FPO that HR 218 to requires that an officer have statutory arrest authority.  The Dept of Army police force does not have statutory arrest authority (neither does DON police or any other DoD police) therefore they are not covered under HR 218.  That is what remains to be in question in this case last time I checked.  I&#039;m not sure what MD law is on this subject however.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then you should know Former FPO that HR 218 to requires that an officer have statutory arrest authority.  The Dept of Army police force does not have statutory arrest authority (neither does DON police or any other DoD police) therefore they are not covered under HR 218.  That is what remains to be in question in this case last time I checked.  I&#8217;m not sure what MD law is on this subject however.</p>
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		<title>By: Former FPO</title>
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		<dc:creator>Former FPO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 17:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I worked for the Department of the Army as a civilian Police Officer, not a security guard, that is a different series, 081 I believe...Now if this guy is just a &quot;security guard&quot; that changes the whole thing.  The Dept. of Army has both civilian securtiy guards (not contractors) and civilian Police Officers (which have police authority and are authorized to carry off duty)  Ft. Meade has contract security guards that man their entry control points, which when I was there was operated by Wackenhut.  And I am fully aware of the US Law kh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I worked for the Department of the Army as a civilian Police Officer, not a security guard, that is a different series, 081 I believe&#8230;Now if this guy is just a &#8220;security guard&#8221; that changes the whole thing.  The Dept. of Army has both civilian securtiy guards (not contractors) and civilian Police Officers (which have police authority and are authorized to carry off duty)  Ft. Meade has contract security guards that man their entry control points, which when I was there was operated by Wackenhut.  And I am fully aware of the US Law kh.</p>
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		<title>By: kh</title>
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		<dc:creator>kh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 16:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Former FPO -- I assume you were not a Department of the Army officer?  Because if you were then you were misinformed of US Law</description>
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		<title>By: kh</title>
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		<dc:creator>kh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 16:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To everyone debating the &quot;FPO&quot; argument....Last time I checked this man is a security guard at Ft. Myers.  He is not really and &quot;FPO&quot; such as secret service etc... and security guards do not have police powers off base.  Rarely do they have police powers on base.  If I have this wrong then I will admit that error but with all the different conflicting reports I thought I would mention that this is the information we were given by the shooter&#039;s lawyer in his statements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To everyone debating the &#8220;FPO&#8221; argument&#8230;.Last time I checked this man is a security guard at Ft. Myers.  He is not really and &#8220;FPO&#8221; such as secret service etc&#8230; and security guards do not have police powers off base.  Rarely do they have police powers on base.  If I have this wrong then I will admit that error but with all the different conflicting reports I thought I would mention that this is the information we were given by the shooter&#8217;s lawyer in his statements.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurie P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurie P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 07:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I forgont to mention that I beieve benefit the entire State of Maryland if all dog owners and Police Officer &#039;s would have to go to a class regarding dog behavior.</description>
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		<title>By: Laurie P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurie P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 07:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Stein,  fist of all, I would like to thank you for the info regarding bill 761, I will read it after I am done finishing my post. 
I would also like to answer the questions you directed towards me.  
First, “So the question to you is, are you against the actions of one man (regardless if he is a police officer or not), or are you against a person presenting a different view and attempting to clarify some information ( what I am attempting to do ). If you are against anyone who would not join your one-lane views on this, or any, subject – then that would be silly and narrow-minded.”
I am against all people, Officer or not, condoning the actions of this man. Anyone who thinks killing is the 1st, 2nd or best option, has no compassion. They way I see it, without compassion, you have no remorse.  Without remorse, you are not fit to interact with society.  You may think it is a little narrow mindedness but that’s ok.  I personally would not knowingly interact with a person of that nature and I don’t believe it is a bad thing.  I wouldn’t want my children interacting with people of that nature either. I once had an experience with one of my daughters friends who was 6 years old and didn’t feel remorse for drowning some of my baby chicks.  The mother laughed and thought it was funny. This is where children learn compassion. She didn’t care at all that she killed them. I did not want the child back in my home and avoided them like the plague.
Second, you stated, “, if you don’t desire to join the ranks, then fine – but don’t speak for all police officers just because you read something, see it on TV, or know other cops. I don’t step into your offices and tell you the ins and outs of your job, so be fair and don’t tell us how to do ours or that something we are doing is “illegal” by a generalization.”  
I’m not sure what you mean by “joining the ranks.”  Moreover, I am not speaking about  all police officers just because I read something. I never said “all police officers.”  My cousin is an Officer, and I have a several friends that are Police Officers  and I can’t believe they would ever even consider, just pulling out a gun an shooting a dog unless it was a life threatening situation. 

Also, isn’t it a little narrow mindedness to think that us taxpayers who pay your salary shouldn’t share our opinion or state when we believe that we don’t agree with how you conduct your job or ability to do your job?  Isn’t that how laws are initiated?  By our Opinions?  
Third, “You wonder when you would hear about when I would shoot a family pet? Why only me?”  
Because at the time it sounded is though you condoned what this man did to Bear Bear.  
Fourth, are you under the assumption that all “family pets” are safe? Keep an abused pit bull taken from the pound in your house – then we’ll talk. Yes, unfortunately there are times that police must use deadly force…was this one of those instances? You cannot say for sure; I cannot – so who truly can?”
No, I am not under that assumption. I do believe that on some occasions it is warranted.  Do you believe the case where the less than 5lb Chihuahua needed to be shot? 
Fifth, “Keep an abused pit bull taken from the pound in your house – then we’ll talk. Yes, unfortunately there are times that police must use deadly force…was this one of those instances? You cannot say for sure; I cannot – so who truly can?”
Again, I never, said there were no occasions were deadly force is not warranted.  However, I read the police report regarding the Bear Bear situation, the man did not describe some vicious attack.  He did say the dog bit his dog on the neck.  However, his dog nor he or his wife had a scratch on them.  
I have had people come to my house and say OMG your dogs are fighting.  I say no, it’s ok they are not.   Oh, but to one has the other by the throat. I say, just relax, they always do that.  They always seem to be very unnerved and uncomfortable by the whole scenario. My Aunt could hardly stand to watch it.  
I’ve also had people come to my house who were never invited back because of the way perceived my dogs.  My one lab loved to play ball and would actually throw it at you or jump and  push it down at your feet to get you to play.  One time this woman said OMG! she bit me!  I saw the whole thing.  My dog had the ball and jumped towards her with her paws and face down at her feet.  The dog did NOT bite her.  Some people tend to exaggerate things.  Needless, to say she was not ever invited back to my house. 
 Sixth, “Three months ago, on a beautiful sunny day at the Inner Harbor, an elderly man was attacked by a “family pet” that was on a leash, “never mean towards anyone”, and had no provocation to get violent. This dog caught the owners off-guard and broke free from the leash. The dog decided to implant his teeth into the foot and leg into the elderly man, this was with so much force that the dog broke 3 teeth off into the man’s leg. A Baltimore Police Officer was a few feet away, and kicked the dog off of the man. The dog died as a result – is this better than shooting the dog?”
First of all this case is nothing is nothing like the situation that occurred with Bear Bear.  Again, see my fourth response for this above.  Also, it seems the Officer used good judgment. He may a have accidently shot the elderly man if the dog had turned on him the moment he pulled his gun.    
Seventh, “at the end of the previous school year, a young 3rd grader was getting off of her school bus and began running towards the local playground – this actually occurred not too far from Quail Run – when she was attacked by a dog that was “always fond of children and would never harm anyone”. The girl will have a scar across her forehead for life, and will probably have a lifelong fear of dogs, if not all animals. When Animal Control went to retrieve the animal later that day, the “normally reserved” dog began attacking the officer, to the point where the accompanying police officer shot the dog and killed it.”  
Again, see my 4th answer.  Once, again this is not comparable to the Bear Bear situation.  Bear Bear was in an off leashed dog park.  First, it sounds as if animal control would have put the dog down anyway even if the officer hadn’t shot the dog. The owner had the responsibility of not letting the dog run loose.  Some breeds have the natural instinct to chase small children when running.  You never stated what type of breed.  In addition, you did not state where the animal control officers approached the dog.  Was it at his home, was it in the home, or was it just running in the neighborhood. Many “Friendly” dogs may become territorial when someone approaches their home. Also, you didn’t state whether this information came from a police report or whether is was something you heard in the news. 
Eighth, “My point there was to show that “normally reserved and friendly” dogs can snap at any reason, and cause injuries. Can you say that the officer did not immediately fear that this dog would have done the same thing? Were you there, or just going off of the word of the victims?”
I’m not just going by the victims statements, I’m going by the police report. No, one in this altercation was hurt or killed but Bear Bear.  Again, what the Officer described was rough playing. He didn’t describe some vicious attack. If the man had been well education on dog behavior, this may not have occurred.  Maybe anyone who enters a dog park should be required to take a dog behavior class so they can identify when there is a threat.  
Furthermore, any person could raise their fist at me, and I could possibly feel immediate fear the this person could kill me with one punch.  Does that mean I should pull a gun and shoot to kill?  Just as Bear Bear’s killer perceived a dogs snap was a threat?
Does an animal have to actually cause harm to someone before harming the animal becomes “acceptable”? What other means do you suggest? Hitting the animal with a stick? Yelling at it to stop? Kicking it? 
Ok, not all of us have the luxury to carry a gun on our side, so we adapt and learn how to handle situations, that you may perceive a life threatening situation differently.  I am 5’1 and 130 lbs., and have broken up many a dog fight.  My dog a German Shephard/Samoyed mix and by neighbors, Golden Retriever didn’t always get along but they spent a lot of time together.  Occasionally they would end up in some very nasty fights. One time I thought I was going to pull my fingers out of my sockets as I pulled them apart by their collars.  Another time, there were other neighborhood dogs at the house and they began to fight.  Three of them I was able stop fighting by charging and screaming at them.  But once again I had to tear my dog and my neighbors apart by hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Stein,  fist of all, I would like to thank you for the info regarding bill 761, I will read it after I am done finishing my post.<br />
I would also like to answer the questions you directed towards me.<br />
First, “So the question to you is, are you against the actions of one man (regardless if he is a police officer or not), or are you against a person presenting a different view and attempting to clarify some information ( what I am attempting to do ). If you are against anyone who would not join your one-lane views on this, or any, subject – then that would be silly and narrow-minded.”<br />
I am against all people, Officer or not, condoning the actions of this man. Anyone who thinks killing is the 1st, 2nd or best option, has no compassion. They way I see it, without compassion, you have no remorse.  Without remorse, you are not fit to interact with society.  You may think it is a little narrow mindedness but that’s ok.  I personally would not knowingly interact with a person of that nature and I don’t believe it is a bad thing.  I wouldn’t want my children interacting with people of that nature either. I once had an experience with one of my daughters friends who was 6 years old and didn’t feel remorse for drowning some of my baby chicks.  The mother laughed and thought it was funny. This is where children learn compassion. She didn’t care at all that she killed them. I did not want the child back in my home and avoided them like the plague.<br />
Second, you stated, “, if you don’t desire to join the ranks, then fine – but don’t speak for all police officers just because you read something, see it on TV, or know other cops. I don’t step into your offices and tell you the ins and outs of your job, so be fair and don’t tell us how to do ours or that something we are doing is “illegal” by a generalization.”<br />
I’m not sure what you mean by “joining the ranks.”  Moreover, I am not speaking about  all police officers just because I read something. I never said “all police officers.”  My cousin is an Officer, and I have a several friends that are Police Officers  and I can’t believe they would ever even consider, just pulling out a gun an shooting a dog unless it was a life threatening situation. </p>
<p>Also, isn’t it a little narrow mindedness to think that us taxpayers who pay your salary shouldn’t share our opinion or state when we believe that we don’t agree with how you conduct your job or ability to do your job?  Isn’t that how laws are initiated?  By our Opinions?<br />
Third, “You wonder when you would hear about when I would shoot a family pet? Why only me?”<br />
Because at the time it sounded is though you condoned what this man did to Bear Bear.<br />
Fourth, are you under the assumption that all “family pets” are safe? Keep an abused pit bull taken from the pound in your house – then we’ll talk. Yes, unfortunately there are times that police must use deadly force…was this one of those instances? You cannot say for sure; I cannot – so who truly can?”<br />
No, I am not under that assumption. I do believe that on some occasions it is warranted.  Do you believe the case where the less than 5lb Chihuahua needed to be shot?<br />
Fifth, “Keep an abused pit bull taken from the pound in your house – then we’ll talk. Yes, unfortunately there are times that police must use deadly force…was this one of those instances? You cannot say for sure; I cannot – so who truly can?”<br />
Again, I never, said there were no occasions were deadly force is not warranted.  However, I read the police report regarding the Bear Bear situation, the man did not describe some vicious attack.  He did say the dog bit his dog on the neck.  However, his dog nor he or his wife had a scratch on them.<br />
I have had people come to my house and say OMG your dogs are fighting.  I say no, it’s ok they are not.   Oh, but to one has the other by the throat. I say, just relax, they always do that.  They always seem to be very unnerved and uncomfortable by the whole scenario. My Aunt could hardly stand to watch it.<br />
I’ve also had people come to my house who were never invited back because of the way perceived my dogs.  My one lab loved to play ball and would actually throw it at you or jump and  push it down at your feet to get you to play.  One time this woman said OMG! she bit me!  I saw the whole thing.  My dog had the ball and jumped towards her with her paws and face down at her feet.  The dog did NOT bite her.  Some people tend to exaggerate things.  Needless, to say she was not ever invited back to my house.<br />
 Sixth, “Three months ago, on a beautiful sunny day at the Inner Harbor, an elderly man was attacked by a “family pet” that was on a leash, “never mean towards anyone”, and had no provocation to get violent. This dog caught the owners off-guard and broke free from the leash. The dog decided to implant his teeth into the foot and leg into the elderly man, this was with so much force that the dog broke 3 teeth off into the man’s leg. A Baltimore Police Officer was a few feet away, and kicked the dog off of the man. The dog died as a result – is this better than shooting the dog?”<br />
First of all this case is nothing is nothing like the situation that occurred with Bear Bear.  Again, see my fourth response for this above.  Also, it seems the Officer used good judgment. He may a have accidently shot the elderly man if the dog had turned on him the moment he pulled his gun.<br />
Seventh, “at the end of the previous school year, a young 3rd grader was getting off of her school bus and began running towards the local playground – this actually occurred not too far from Quail Run – when she was attacked by a dog that was “always fond of children and would never harm anyone”. The girl will have a scar across her forehead for life, and will probably have a lifelong fear of dogs, if not all animals. When Animal Control went to retrieve the animal later that day, the “normally reserved” dog began attacking the officer, to the point where the accompanying police officer shot the dog and killed it.”<br />
Again, see my 4th answer.  Once, again this is not comparable to the Bear Bear situation.  Bear Bear was in an off leashed dog park.  First, it sounds as if animal control would have put the dog down anyway even if the officer hadn’t shot the dog. The owner had the responsibility of not letting the dog run loose.  Some breeds have the natural instinct to chase small children when running.  You never stated what type of breed.  In addition, you did not state where the animal control officers approached the dog.  Was it at his home, was it in the home, or was it just running in the neighborhood. Many “Friendly” dogs may become territorial when someone approaches their home. Also, you didn’t state whether this information came from a police report or whether is was something you heard in the news.<br />
Eighth, “My point there was to show that “normally reserved and friendly” dogs can snap at any reason, and cause injuries. Can you say that the officer did not immediately fear that this dog would have done the same thing? Were you there, or just going off of the word of the victims?”<br />
I’m not just going by the victims statements, I’m going by the police report. No, one in this altercation was hurt or killed but Bear Bear.  Again, what the Officer described was rough playing. He didn’t describe some vicious attack. If the man had been well education on dog behavior, this may not have occurred.  Maybe anyone who enters a dog park should be required to take a dog behavior class so they can identify when there is a threat.<br />
Furthermore, any person could raise their fist at me, and I could possibly feel immediate fear the this person could kill me with one punch.  Does that mean I should pull a gun and shoot to kill?  Just as Bear Bear’s killer perceived a dogs snap was a threat?<br />
Does an animal have to actually cause harm to someone before harming the animal becomes “acceptable”? What other means do you suggest? Hitting the animal with a stick? Yelling at it to stop? Kicking it?<br />
Ok, not all of us have the luxury to carry a gun on our side, so we adapt and learn how to handle situations, that you may perceive a life threatening situation differently.  I am 5’1 and 130 lbs., and have broken up many a dog fight.  My dog a German Shephard/Samoyed mix and by neighbors, Golden Retriever didn’t always get along but they spent a lot of time together.  Occasionally they would end up in some very nasty fights. One time I thought I was going to pull my fingers out of my sockets as I pulled them apart by their collars.  Another time, there were other neighborhood dogs at the house and they began to fight.  Three of them I was able stop fighting by charging and screaming at them.  But once again I had to tear my dog and my neighbors apart by hand.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheree White</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sheree White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 02:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S I noticed in rereading my comment I made a few errors in spelling. Please excuse me for that as I have been up since very early this morning and I am rather tired. Have a good evening everyone.</description>
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		<title>By: Sheree White</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sheree White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 01:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know I may be late on commenting on things here. But I have to say that everyone has a good point in the topic. Yes many people are being misinformed. 

As far as Bear Bear goes I do believe there could have been other options. I have been in situations of so called friendly dogs (including Pits) have come after my granddaughter.  The people who own the dog have children their self. She was 4 years old when this dog broke through the fence around our yard and tried to attack her. Fortunately there were several people out there to protect her from this dog. 

However the dog was not harmed. He did not manage to attack her. He has come after other family members as well. Should this dog attack one of the kids or my dog even YES I would kill him myself. I do not own a gun but can do enough damage with other means. But there were no signs what so ever on this mans dog or him and his wife. Therefore Bear Bear should not have been shot the way he was. Regardless of this mans rank apparently his actions were unjustified. 

Mr. Stein as with many of the others your statements of apology are accept here. But to say you were not aiming them at the people who had left statements I would say was wrong. Us so called bored house wives are not a part of the media. Just because we may be housewives do not mean we are bored or rich for that matter. 

I myself stay at home because I am disabled. But I am also taking college courses to be able to support myself. That does not give me much time to be bored. Even the man I am with can tell you that. 

When you make a mistake in words it is great when you apologize for them. But at least admit your errors where they are due. You may not have meant to insult Mr. Lusby. But the housewife statement was certainly intended towards the women here. It is obvious we are not a part of the media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know I may be late on commenting on things here. But I have to say that everyone has a good point in the topic. Yes many people are being misinformed. </p>
<p>As far as Bear Bear goes I do believe there could have been other options. I have been in situations of so called friendly dogs (including Pits) have come after my granddaughter.  The people who own the dog have children their self. She was 4 years old when this dog broke through the fence around our yard and tried to attack her. Fortunately there were several people out there to protect her from this dog. </p>
<p>However the dog was not harmed. He did not manage to attack her. He has come after other family members as well. Should this dog attack one of the kids or my dog even YES I would kill him myself. I do not own a gun but can do enough damage with other means. But there were no signs what so ever on this mans dog or him and his wife. Therefore Bear Bear should not have been shot the way he was. Regardless of this mans rank apparently his actions were unjustified. </p>
<p>Mr. Stein as with many of the others your statements of apology are accept here. But to say you were not aiming them at the people who had left statements I would say was wrong. Us so called bored house wives are not a part of the media. Just because we may be housewives do not mean we are bored or rich for that matter. </p>
<p>I myself stay at home because I am disabled. But I am also taking college courses to be able to support myself. That does not give me much time to be bored. Even the man I am with can tell you that. </p>
<p>When you make a mistake in words it is great when you apologize for them. But at least admit your errors where they are due. You may not have meant to insult Mr. Lusby. But the housewife statement was certainly intended towards the women here. It is obvious we are not a part of the media.</p>
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